gah. no, a world of no. look, in the real world, with real people, when someone says ‘i am [sex, sexuality, gender, whatever]’, it is proper to accept them at their word because a) it’s rude to assume people are lying, and b) it’s probably none of your own damn business anyway. but, come on. it *is* possible for someone to be simply lying when they make their statement, for whatever reason. if a republican senator gets busted in a hotel room with three underage rent boys and a bucket of lard, and says ‘i am 100% heterosexual, i was discussing lard farming with these upstanding young men i met on a street corner’, is everyone obligated to nod sagely and accept this as a statement of irrefutable truth? or do we get to suspect he’s *lying*? and in the case of john, a fictional character, is it unacceptable for us entertain a version who might *lie* about this. that ‘i’m not gay’ might not mean he’s straight/bi/asexual/other, but that he’s *not going to discuss his personal life with a woman he doesn’t have any reason to trust*??? why is it okay for fanfic writers to depict fictional characters as angels, vampires, rapists, glitches in the software, but not *people who might lie about their sexuality to a hostile stranger*? or am i wronging my own oc when i write him as claiming to be completely straight, when in fact (in my mind, and he is my creation) he’s clearly bisexual leaning towards gay but doesn’t have the insight into himself that would allow him to understand or claim that. instead he manages to write off years of male partners as a bunch of one-off aberrations, and a much smaller number of female partners as ‘the only ones that count because i’m straight’. because i’m going to be seriously stymied if i’m required to write this guy as actually straight, given that he finds men an enormous turn on and the sex way, way more exciting and satisfying than sex with women. tl;dr: we’re not allowed write self-delusion or outright lying now?
when i first got into fandom i was v clueless and so i laughed at all the posts where people were mocking that part without realising how bad they were. (and totally joined in on the ‘yeah right you’re not gay PPFFTTT!’ bandwagon)
canon john is not gay because he says so. he can love sherlock, and not be gay. he decides what he is, and if he says he isn’t gay, then he isn’t gay.
thats why i tagged it with ‘i’m listening tho’ (or something along those lines) because john i get it now i’m sorry i ever laughed at that part
That is an excellent point, John says he’s not gay, and if tumblr has taught me anything, you need to accept a person’s stated identity. He identifies as heterosexual (you could argue bisexual, he says ‘not gay’) and anyone he tells should accept that. And maybe that’s what Sherlock does. He never says anything to either contradict him or contradict anyone else who comments on their relationship. Maybe that’s why Sherlock’s never made a move, because he heard what John said and accepted it.
That does not mean, to me, that John’s sexuality can’t evolve, that his identity can’t change, but at that point in the series he identified as not gay. I think it’s telling that as the show progresses he stops correcting other people’s assumptions about their relationship - perhaps his feelings are changing, perhaps his perception of his identity is changing, or perhaps he decides you know what, he doesn’t care what other people think because he does care about Sherlock and he knows that they are close in a way that he never usually is with other people and it’s ok. It will be interesting to see what happens in series 3.
i grew up swinging a cavalry sabre that had done service in india and south africa it was totally my favorite thing in the house :D
i am unreasonably pleased that mycroft has the annigoni portrait of the queen in his office, cos i love that painting.
not without turning into a foamy-mouthed rage machine and tearing the skin off my own face. long story short, imo, carter (like moffat) produced something fantastic without the slightest understanding of what it was that made it fantastic. and as time went on, with accumulating quantity, the accidental nature of the fantastic became more and more unescapable, as it was washed away in a tide of not-fantastic. also, (like moffat), carter committed what is imo a serious writing sin - characterization took a back seat to the necessities of plot, and the allure of punch-lines. the ultimate coup de grace in carter’s case, of course, was that he’d reduced his characters to such empty outlines that he thought he could just swap in two other actors and have the whole thing toddle on until doomsday without anyone even noticing AND I MET MY WIFE IN THAT FANDOM OTHERWISE I’D BE SENDING HIM ENVELOPES OF DOG POOP TO THIS DAY hi.
tl;dr: i felt he wandered off track around season 53
Steven Moffat - TV & Satellite Week 14-20 December 2013
Never be lovely!?!? Obviously using a different definition…
He starts out as a monster?
Good lord, Moffat seriously must have read something else because that definitely is not the case in ACD canon.
Essentially this entire quote is full of ickiness, this particular brand being a pure Moffat signature.
Seriously what? the? fuck? What stories was he reading?!?
Yeah, what? Canon SH is nothing near a monster. Snarky and a bit rude, yes, but… Wtf.
No, it certainly is not, although it explains a ton of what irks me about BBC Sherlock’s (mis)characterisation
(via tweedisgood)srsly. ‘sherlock’ sherlock is capable of casual cruelty/rudeness/condescension in a way that acd!holmes never, ever indulges in. acd!holmes is darkest when dealing with bullies; bbc!sherlock *is* a bully. acd!holmes declares blackmail the lowest crime of all, and devotes himself to merciliessly punishing it. bbc!sherlock shrugs and says ‘pay her’. now, don’t get me wrong, you guys know i fucking *love* ‘sherlock’, but it does puzzle me that moffat seems to have written his version of the characters based on a summation of acd! he read on the back of a cereal packet. *no one* thinks acd!holmes is a monster, not john, not any other character, not *holmes* himself. acd!holmes explains several times in canon that his lack of emotional, his devotion to logic, are necessary skills he has laboriously acquired and perfected for his line of work, just like his knowledge of chemistry etc etc. he intimates some slight regret that this is necessary, but his devotion to his work makes it unavoidable. you can see he doesn’t despise, indeed seems wistful, over other people’s conjugal and familial warmth. tho, personally, i don’t see bbc!sherlock as a monster either; he strikes me as an asshole, and that’s okay, i enjoy assholes in fic.